352 intermittent stumbling and stalling

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Re: 352 intermittent stumbling and stalling

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That is the saving grace in your case. The last info I know of is that Minnesota is a "me-too" state; so the "mandate" will not take effect until the feds certify E15 for ALL vehicles, which is becoming less likely now. To my knowledge there is no direct federal mandate requiring the USE of even E10; there are regulations for producers and sometimes retailers.
Now, back to your situation:
E15 is required to have a warning disclaimer at the pump. I would definitely avoid any pump with that label. IF the E15 actually represented the exact mixture of that particular blend (and it certainly varies), you were running on the edge of what could be expected to yield satisfactory performance in a non-flex fuel vehicle. That also means roughly that same 15% of whatever volume was in your tank could absorb close to that same volume of water( although the actual "mixed yield" would supposedly be slightly less. You then added more water absorbing liquids, so you may have ended up with a less-than satisfactory motor fuel. This immense amount of miscible solvents will certainly strip any varnish or other build-ups. If you have been running E10 for some miles, what you discovered may be the most of it. Assuming the vehicle continues to run with no major glitches, I am not sure I would hurry to change out the carb. Once you are certain most contaminates are either gone or well-lodged, then change carbs. Just be sure the rebuild is alcohol resistant. If MN regulations do tighten up; you may want to look into the exempt "collector vehicle" classification to reduce the potential for future problems. That won't solve any local availability issues, but you may be able to at least find local fueling with lower amounts of oxygenates,such as some "reformulated" fuels.
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Re: 352 intermittent stumbling and stalling

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Just a little side note if anyone is interested,if you need to empty your gas tank.Go to Home Depot first and buy a seven foot piece of 3/8"clear plastic tube.If you get a mouthful of gas using that,just stay inside and watch tv......

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pumps here and oper the line in Utah have a label "may contain up to 10% ethanol"

recently several more stations here have began to offer ethanol free gas. some of them are premium only, this does not really bother me as although its more costly it evens out because the lucas is near $10 for the pint bottle which is good for 80 gallons, or 12.5 cents per gallon added to the pump price.
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Re: 352 intermittent stumbling and stalling

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Mr. Jones wrote:Just a little side note if anyone is interested,if you need to empty your gas tank.Go to Home Depot first and buy a seven foot piece of 3/8"clear plastic tube.If you get a mouthful of gas using that,just stay inside and watch tv......

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Re: 352 intermittent stumbling and stalling

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These old stock engines run fine on 87 octane gas. They only need the higher octane if you have rebuilt the engine with a higher compression ratio. 91 octane gas is not a "treat" like steak is a treat when you're used to hamburgers. If the engine knocks or pings under hard acceleration in high gear, that is a sign you need the higher octane.

It sounds like you got some dirty gas or gas with some water in it and/or some dirt and crud finally worked loose and found it's way into the carburetor.

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Re: 352 intermittent stumbling and stalling

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Update:
I decided to take a chance and drive my truck to work today. 23 miles each way, mostly freeway travel. About 4 miles in, I felt the first stumble. Then I noticed that whenever I was driving up a hill or noticeable incline it would stumble once or twice. I also noticed that after coming off a cloverleaf it would do the same. I had maybe 5 or 6 brief episodes on my morning commute, but it never stalled completely. I drove it to lunch with no trouble at all. Drove the same route home tonight, and again, no stumble. Hopefully all the water is out of my tank and filter now.

Didgy - I have been running 87 octane all summer and only recently changed carburetors from a 390 I bought a couple weeks ago. The 352 ran so much better with the new carb (larger venturis?) so being greedy for just a little more power, I wanted to try some ethanol free 91 Octane. Lesson learned.
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Stumbling on an up incline is the sign of a weak fuel pump.
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didgeytrucker wrote:These old stock engines run fine on 87 octane gas. They only need the higher octane if you have rebuilt the engine with a higher compression ratio. 91 octane gas is not a "treat" like steak is a treat when you're used to hamburgers. If the engine knocks or pings under hard acceleration in high gear, that is a sign you need the higher octane. Tracy
I pretty much understand what you're saying regarding the factory compression ratio versus the necessary fuel octane required to keep the engine from spark knock, pre-ignition or pre-detonation.

Now this is probably not relevant to the OP engine stumble problem, but does anyone know what the owner's manual said back in the day regarding what fuel to run in these ol' Beasts of Burden?

Now maybe I'm just thinking of the NAMES of fuel grades,by the NAMES, I mean the label of REGULAR GAS, in 1966 had an octane level of 90, whereas fuels today with an octane of 90 would be considered a PREMIUM GAS. But was the octane measured the same way all along - were the fuel octane numbers posted on pumps in the 60s calculated in the same way or differently from the octane numbers calculated/posted on today's gasoline? :dontknow:

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Re: 352 intermittent stumbling and stalling

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I believe modern octane ratings are a "blend" of the old research and motor ( knock) ratings.
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