Difference between a custom cab and a standard cab?

[**Ewie**]

Ewie, I can provide you the hole positioning next week,

That would be great thanks Paul....

[BarnieTrk]

My 65 F100 Custom Cab was a stepside, trimless and chrome cluster. Would it have come with arm rest and interior door trim?

For '65/'66 F100/F250 2WD Slicks, it's my understanding that the Custom Cab (CC) package included:
-- sweep speedometer
-- padded dash
-- aluminum grill
-- aluminum trim ring around windshield & taillights
-- script chrome emblem “CustomCab” on door
-- aluminum trim around inside (plastic) door panels and across dash mid-line bottom of padding
-- different style steering wheel equipped with car-style chrome horn ring
-- Stainless-steel dog-dish hub caps (’66 only; for ’65 they were painted).

Unlike 'option packages' offered on today's vehicles, any one or more of the above listed package items could be deleted, if requested. So, in other words, these options were really simply options that could be ordered singularly or together... In addition, realize that some options were only available with certain trucks, for instance, the aluminum trim around the tail lamps was only available with Styleside beds; not available on Flairside beds, Styleside beds were different between '65/'66 on the 4WD models, etc.

Now, for discussions sake, it's my understanding that the options available with the Camper Special (CS) package included:

-- the 300 I-6 or 352 V-8 (the smaller 240" 6-cyl was std)
-- Xtra Cooling Radiator
-- Amp & Oil Gauges
-- Extended Tailpipe
-- Heavy Duty 55-amp Alternator
-- 70-amp Battery
-- C-O-M (automatic) or 4-Speed Manual transmission (3-speed was std)
-- Dual Western Mirrors
-- left arm rest
-- Dual sun visors
-- Color-keyed upholstery and rubber floor mats
-- Cigarette lighter
-- RH air vent

Unlike common belief, the Camper Special package included the side tool boxes, on Styleside beds; it was not part of any package. The chrome front bumper & anodized aluminum side moldings (Styleside pickup only) were also stand-alone options, and did not come with any "package", but were optional at extra cost.

A buyer could combine CC and CS packages, cutting and deleting specific options as as they saw fit, and could also get the Ranger package as well.

Other 'common" options available with some models or options were: AM radio, deluxe or economy heater, tinted windshield only or all glass tinted, 4WD, power steering, different sized wheels - such as 15, 16, 17, 17.5 or even 19.5, full wheel covers, power drum brakes, seat belts, outside mirrors, spare wheel and the tire, Limited Slip differential, 4-speed manual, 3-speed overdrive, automatic transmission, factory-installed flat/stake bed, 55 or 70 amp battery (45 amp was std), windshield washers, "hang-on the dash" A/C, tow hooks, R & L spotlights, driving and fog lamps, Styleside pickup bed steps, colored vinyl floor mats (protected the rubber floormats!) and more not-so-common.

Another common addition to CC or CS (not factory, but dealer installed) chrome or painted rear bumpers (painted only on Flaresides).

Some folks make the mistake of assuming these trucks were equipped like much newer trucks...nothing could be further from the truth. Recall that the basic truck was a 'stripper' 2WD Standard Cab, Cab & Chassis (no pickup bed) equipped with a 240 I-6 & 3 on the tree, and sold for about $1,700 bucks!

........and we didn't even discuss the different GVW or 'Ranger' package options yet!

BarnieTrk

[Toyz]

Sounds right; so, how many F100 Custom Cab Camper Specials do you suppose were produced?
Paul

[BarnieTrk]

Sounds right; so, how many F100 Custom Cab Camper Specials do you suppose were produced?
Paul

I'd say more than the F100 Custom Cab, Camper Special Rangers..!

Do ya think any F100 CC/CS/Rangers were produced with the 4WD option?

BarnieTrk

[Leeroy]

Do ya think any F100 CC/CS/Rangers were produced with the 4WD option?

Now you're just tryin to tease everyone and play with their minds !!

[chris401]

My 65 F100 Custom Cab was a stepside, trimless and chrome cluster. Would it have come with arm rest and interior door trim?

For '65/'66 F100/F250 2WD Slicks, it's my understanding that the Custom Cab (CC) package included:
-- sweep speedometer
-- padded dash
-- aluminum grill
-- aluminum trim ring around windshield & taillights
-- script chrome emblem “CustomCab” on door
-- aluminum trim around inside (plastic) door panels and across dash mid-line bottom of padding
-- different style steering wheel equipped with car-style chrome horn ring
-- Stainless-steel dog-dish hub caps (’66 only; for ’65 they were painted).

Unlike 'option packages' offered on today's vehicles, any one or more of the above listed package items could be deleted, if requested. So, in other words, these options were really simply options that could be ordered singularly or together... In addition, realize that some options were only available with certain trucks, for instance, the aluminum trim around the tail lamps was only available with Styleside beds; not available on Flairside beds, Styleside beds were different between '65/'66 on the 4WD models, etc.

Now, for discussions sake, it's my understanding that the options available with the Camper Special (CS) package included:

-- the 300 I-6 or 352 V-8 (the smaller 240" 6-cyl was std)
-- Xtra Cooling Radiator
-- Amp & Oil Gauges
-- Extended Tailpipe
-- Heavy Duty 55-amp Alternator
-- 70-amp Battery
-- C-O-M (automatic) or 4-Speed Manual transmission (3-speed was std)
-- Dual Western Mirrors
-- left arm rest
-- Dual sun visors
-- Color-keyed upholstery and rubber floor mats
-- Cigarette lighter
-- RH air vent

Unlike common belief, the Camper Special package included the side tool boxes, on Styleside beds; it was not part of any package. The chrome front bumper & anodized aluminum side moldings (Styleside pickup only) were also stand-alone options, and did not come with any "package", but were optional at extra cost.

A buyer could combine CC and CS packages, cutting and deleting specific options as as they saw fit, and could also get the Ranger package as well.

Other 'common" options available with some models or options were: AM radio, deluxe or economy heater, tinted windshield only or all glass tinted, 4WD, power steering, different sized wheels - such as 15, 16, 17, 17.5 or even 19.5, full wheel covers, power drum brakes, seat belts, outside mirrors, spare wheel and the tire, Limited Slip differential, 4-speed manual, 3-speed overdrive, automatic transmission, factory-installed flat/stake bed, 55 or 70 amp battery (45 amp was std), windshield washers, "hang-on the dash" A/C, tow hooks, R & L spotlights, driving and fog lamps, Styleside pickup bed steps, colored vinyl floor mats (protected the rubber floormats!) and more not-so-common.

Another common addition to CC or CS (not factory, but dealer installed) chrome or painted rear bumpers (painted only on Flaresides).

Some folks make the mistake of assuming these trucks were equipped like much newer trucks...nothing could be further from the truth. Recall that the basic truck was a 'stripper' 2WD Standard Cab, Cab & Chassis (no pickup bed) equipped with a 240 I-6 & 3 on the tree, and sold for about $1,700 bucks!

........and we didn't even discuss the different GVW or 'Ranger' package options yet!

BarnieTrk

Good post Paul. Here is what I know about my 65 F100 CC Stepside as copied from your post.
-- aluminum grill
-- aluminum trim ring around windshield & taillights
-- script chrome emblem “CustomCab” on door
-- different style steering wheel equipped with car-style chrome horn ring
-- Stainless-steel dog-dish hub caps (’66 only; for ’65 they were painted).
My truck did not come with a radio. Ill look into the tail light chrome.
Thanks, Chris

[simonscr]

Very informative!
My truck appears to have a little bit off of each list and not labeled as such!

I guess ordered from the factory that way, or pervious owners, over the years, adding things to dress up the truck!

[TA455HO]

I'm not big on 1965 so not sure, but in 1966 there were three different levels of Camper Special packages. Each next level includes everything from the prior level, plus. I can post that info here if there is any interest in it.

My 65 F100 Custom Cab was a stepside, trimless and chrome cluster. Would it have come with arm rest and interior door trim?

For '65/'66 F100/F250 2WD Slicks, it's my understanding that the Custom Cab (CC) package included:
-- sweep speedometer
-- padded dash
-- aluminum grill
-- aluminum trim ring around windshield & taillights
-- script chrome emblem “CustomCab” on door
-- aluminum trim around inside (plastic) door panels and across dash mid-line bottom of padding
-- different style steering wheel equipped with car-style chrome horn ring
-- Stainless-steel dog-dish hub caps (’66 only; for ’65 they were painted).

Unlike 'option packages' offered on today's vehicles, any one or more of the above listed package items could be deleted, if requested. So, in other words, these options were really simply options that could be ordered singularly or together... In addition, realize that some options were only available with certain trucks, for instance, the aluminum trim around the tail lamps was only available with Styleside beds; not available on Flairside beds, Styleside beds were different between '65/'66 on the 4WD models, etc.

Now, for discussions sake, it's my understanding that the options available with the Camper Special (CS) package included:

-- the 300 I-6 or 352 V-8 (the smaller 240" 6-cyl was std)
-- Xtra Cooling Radiator
-- Amp & Oil Gauges
-- Extended Tailpipe
-- Heavy Duty 55-amp Alternator
-- 70-amp Battery
-- C-O-M (automatic) or 4-Speed Manual transmission (3-speed was std)
-- Dual Western Mirrors
-- left arm rest
-- Dual sun visors
-- Color-keyed upholstery and rubber floor mats
-- Cigarette lighter
-- RH air vent

Unlike common belief, the Camper Special package included the side tool boxes, on Styleside beds; it was not part of any package. The chrome front bumper & anodized aluminum side moldings (Styleside pickup only) were also stand-alone options, and did not come with any "package", but were optional at extra cost.

A buyer could combine CC and CS packages, cutting and deleting specific options as as they saw fit, and could also get the Ranger package as well.

Other 'common" options available with some models or options were: AM radio, deluxe or economy heater, tinted windshield only or all glass tinted, 4WD, power steering, different sized wheels - such as 15, 16, 17, 17.5 or even 19.5, full wheel covers, power drum brakes, seat belts, outside mirrors, spare wheel and the tire, Limited Slip differential, 4-speed manual, 3-speed overdrive, automatic transmission, factory-installed flat/stake bed, 55 or 70 amp battery (45 amp was std), windshield washers, "hang-on the dash" A/C, tow hooks, R & L spotlights, driving and fog lamps, Styleside pickup bed steps, colored vinyl floor mats (protected the rubber floormats!) and more not-so-common.

Another common addition to CC or CS (not factory, but dealer installed) chrome or painted rear bumpers (painted only on Flaresides).

Some folks make the mistake of assuming these trucks were equipped like much newer trucks...nothing could be further from the truth. Recall that the basic truck was a 'stripper' 2WD Standard Cab, Cab & Chassis (no pickup bed) equipped with a 240 I-6 & 3 on the tree, and sold for about $1,700 bucks!

........and we didn't even discuss the different GVW or 'Ranger' package options yet!

BarnieTrk

[Toyz]

It would be interesting, post away!
Paul

[F7BIGJOB]

Paul, somewhere I have the 65/66 Ford Fact book with all of that info in it, if I can put my finger on it I'll see about doing some scans, but I remember it's a lot...

Found it, here is a couple[3] reprintss see next post Trouble with PB will try in am

[TA455HO]

Again, this is 1966. I know practically nothing about other year Slicks.

First, I'll say that things varied between F100 and F250 in this area, and between the 2-wheel and 4-wheel drive series.

F100 and F100 4-wheel drive series trucks only came with a "Camper Special Package" without any levels of that package.

F100 4-wheel drive series trucks WERE available with the Ranger package, but the optional console was not available in this series.

F250 4-wheel drive series trucks could not be ordered with the Ranger package "by the book", but anything was possible. And the book has been known to be wrong about some things in the past, too...

In the F250 the Camper Special package was only available on the 2-wheel drive series and not the 4-wheel drive series.

There were 3 levels of camper equipment available for the F250.
Camper Special Package
Custom Camper Package
Deluxe Camper Package (Styleside Pickup Only) - meaning no chassis mounted campers with this option

Camper Special Package:
Front Springs - 1125 lb. (Six)
- 1250 lb. (V-8)
Radiator - Extra Cooling
Ornamentation - Camper Special
Battery - Heavy Duty 70 Amp.-Hr.
Alternator - 55 Amp. - 825 Watt
Mirrors - Dual Western Type (shipped loose)
Tailpipe - Extended
Instruments - Oil Pressure Gauge and Ammeter
Wiring Harness - Camper (when available)
*Minimum Required Extra-Cost Optional Equipment
Engine - 300 Six or 352 V-8
Rear Springs - 2400-lb. Main
Transmission - 4-Speed Manual or 3-Speed Cruise-O-Matic
Tires and Wheels - 2 - 7.50 x 16-6 PR (TT) front
- 3 - 7.50 x 16-8 PR (TT) rear and spare,
16 x 5.50F Split Rims

Custom Camper Package:
All items in Camper Special Package, plus:
Custom Cab
Deluxe Fresh Air Heater
Two-Speed Windshield Wipers
Left Hand Door Stowage Compartment
Dual Horns

Deluxe Camper Package:
(Styleside Pickup Only)
All items in Camper Special and Custom Camper Packages, plus:
Padded Visors
Chrome Front Bumper
Body Side Moldings
Right-Hand Tool Stowage Compartment

Of course, then there is the Deluxe Appearance Package (optional on Standard Cab, included with Custom Cab) and the Custom Cab that are outside of this and again vary between series.

[BarnieTrk]

Apparently, anyone wanting to place an order with FoMoCo for a brand-new '65/'66 F-series truck, could just about get it with any combination of options they could think of........ kinda reminds me of the vintage Burger-King slogan, "Have it your way!"

Points of interest from the above information:
- No mention of a 'Tool Stowage Compartment' being available on the LEFT side
- No mention of a 'Door Stowage Compartment' being available on the RIGHT side
- That the word 'molding' was, at times, substituted with the British variant of the word, 'moulding'.

The different available GVW packages was briefly mentioned above, but does anyone want to list/get into the differences in FRAMES between the F100/F250 4x2/4x4 available combinations?

BarnieTrk

[Toyz]

I believe that "no mention" was the fact that the R.S tool box would not fit the L.S., and the door storage compartment was interchangeable, thus dealers could easily add a passenger storage compartment. quite a few were sold over the counter.
Note the front springs appear to stay the same on the 2wd F100 and F250, while the back rating doubles!
Paul

[Leeroy]

anyone wanting to place an order with FoMoCo for a brand-new '65/'66 F-series truck, could just about get it with any combination of options they could think of.

If only you could do that now!

Not sure what it's like across the pacific, but over this side anything, including deleting items results in more cost or is 'unavailable on that model!'

[chris401]

Apparently, anyone wanting to place an order with FoMoCo for a brand-new '65/'66 F-series truck, could just about get it with any combination of options they could think of........ kinda reminds me of the vintage Burger-King slogan, "Have it your way!"

Points of interest from the above information:
- No mention of a 'Tool Stowage Compartment' being available on the LEFT side
- No mention of a 'Door Stowage Compartment' being available on the RIGHT side
- That the word 'molding' was, at times, substituted with the British variant of the word, 'moulding'.

The different available GVW packages was briefly mentioned above, but does anyone want to list/get into the differences in FRAMES between the F100/F250 4x2/4x4 available combinations?

BarnieTrk

I have a 65 F100 swb and F250 lwb, both 2wd. I haven't seen differences. What did you want to know about the frames? Ill take a look.

[Toyz]

BarnieTrk may have been jabbing at me for a post on another medium ! There are pronounced differences thru the years and models; Iceman 6166 has it quite well covered on this forum. It goes well beyond frame differences. I tend to separate them by the "coil- spring" trucks, and the "leaf spring" trucks since the basis of the differences boil down to those two frame and front suspension designs.
Paul

[BarnieTrk]

BarnieTrk may have been jabbing at me for a post on another medium !
Paul

NO WAY, PAUL! I'm not jabbin'....... rather I'm sharing what you pointed out to me "across the street". BarnieTrk

[Toyz]

Just kidding; I do wish Iceman would get back aboard! The vast majority of my experience is of the "keep 'em running" genre. Brian is the epitome of the "make this work" process. Hard to beat hands-on,"been there, tried that" experience!
Paul

[deadheadno1]

I am 64 years old and my father's side of the family has been strictly
ford people forever. That said what I will add to all of the above is this:
Between the late 40's and the early 70's if you had a friend at a dealership who could pull strings at factory Special Order department then just about anything could purchased on your truck for enough money. Some of these went out the "back door" and were not listed in the "official" records as existing. Case in point my Grandfather's new '66 F100. Right after he took delivery on this truck My grandparents came to visit and Grand dad gave Dad and me the "cook's tour" of the truck. front to back, it was a beauty. All the whistles and bells. But, under the hood was a 390 with a green dot cruse-o. ALL the proper decals and signage to identify the engine were correct and in place. It was a truck that according to the "official record" did NOT exist.
ND over on the "other channel" will tell me I am full of it, that no '66 F100 EVER had a 390 but this DID. Period.
A large number of vehicles left the factory during those years out the "back door" and are not listed in the books. I've owned several hundred old Fords in my life. Coupes, sedans, and a bunch of trucks. I've encountered a few that were not what they seemed be cause there was something on them that was not supposed to be available on this or that model if, you go by the "books'.
I will swear by the above statement on my bible or yours, however you want it.

OK, I've said my piece on this thread and will leave the soap box.
Tom

[F7BIGJOB]

The different available GVW packages was briefly mentioned above, but does anyone want to list/get into the differences in FRAMES between the F100/F250 4x2/4x4 available combinations?

F2504X4 flat frame, I think F350 was flat as well